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Oksanen, Reijo

Reijo Oksanen


Reijo Oksanen was born in Helsinki 1942, heard of Gurdjieff and also the Orthodox Way in 1962 and came to London to join the Work in 1967. He moved back to Finland in 1971 and joined the Orthodox Church. In 1990 Oksanen moved to Denmark and in 2004 to Switzerland. After a long career in textiles, clothing and furniture industries, he set his mind into putting Gurdjieff properly into the internet.

From 2004 Reijo Oksanen is actively engaged in the activities of ars sacra Life Workshop.
 

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Real and Fictive Consciousness

Do I believe in consciousness ? - Is there something beyond consciousness?



Mr. Gurdjieff wrote in many places in The Tales of how important it is for us to access what he called "subconsciousness" - also because it is the seat of what he called "Objective-Conscience". He also advised us to get in touch with "our unconscious parts" every day at sunrise. Silencing the body, thoughts and emotions in the morning can put me more in touch with my unconscious parts.

What can take place is that new "ideas" start entering into what I call consciousness. For example I can wake up in the morning with a sense that I have come in contact with something in myself, but this is often very difficult "to remember" - often I can not catch it, remember it, and the sense that I have received something, seen something, is so frail that if I am not able to put it in some words and approach it that way, I quickly lose it. Moreover this “idea” does not repeat itself (at least I have no such case to report). A new sense of receiving something is every time new.

I am fairly sure that the above mentioned ”ideas” come from my unconsciousness and that in this way the unconscious is so to say "knocking my consciousness" to wake up to what it can convey, to the messages it is sending.

This brings me to the idea of the higher centers; emotional and thinking. In the light of what I have seen the word "higher" in relation to these centers is perhaps misleading. Mr. Gurdjieff said that they are continously working, but that we are not aware of it. The higher centers work in the unconscious (meaning that we can not access them with our consciousness) and as a consequence this "deeper" knowledge can not become our own.

For tens of years I have found it difficult to understand what is meant with the higher centers, but it could be that the direction where they can be found, uncovered or discovered, is the unconscious.

One of the difficulties arising from trying to remember the experience of the contact and arising “idea” is that as soon as I manage to remember it the power or energy of the “idea” gets lost. This put a big question on the importance of what I understand with the word “conscious” and “consciousness”.

Is it so that whatever I can remember has perhaps not the same content as what I have seen? When my memory has already taken over, as it does with everything it can take over, then the only way that remains is going to silence.

I wrote an article on this a couple of years ago in which I called this ”idea” a ”flash”. It starts with:

One night last week, just before I fell asleep, I had a “flash”. Sometimes, often before I fall asleep or on waking up an idea reaches me out of nowhere and like lightning seems to happen in a fraction of a second. It is this type of idea that I call a “flash”; in other words an idea is flashed in me.

The flashed idea is not my thought or emotion; my thoughts and emotions can only be responses to the ”flashed” idea. I am not the originator of the ”flash”; I do not make it or manufacture it in any way, neither do I make the idea that appears in the “flash” – they come when they come of their own force (and with their own energy) independent of what I do.

An idea that reaches me in this way is always very fresh. I would even say that it is alive. One aspect of this aliveness is the connection that the flashed idea has to many other ideas to which it is linked in a mysterious way.

When I can remember the idea and follow the links it has I find that these links are to ideas that are somehow all about the same thing, they all lead towards the source of the idea, or give an idea of the whole, like a flash of lightning can reveal the whole landscape for a short time.

Somebody commented this article by saying:

The vessel of memory cannot contain the experience, the mind cannot describe it, you cannot re-create it; let it go and something else will come.

Link to the article:
Flash Memory

My own aim with these flashes is to try to find out what they say, but then also let them go; in this way I can see how what is in the subconscious can tell me something.

These flashes contain information that I can not reach through what Mr. Gurdjieff called the "fictitious" consciousness. It is also very diffiicult to express them in words, but when I succeed they seem to be telling something of reality, i.e. they can be called realizations.

The flashes do not look like dreams to me, but I must add that I can not see how to explain this; without similar experiences you will not be able to understand what I am saying.

I happened to see on the Beelzebub-thread on a Forum saying that two paragraphs were left out of the 1950 edition of The Tales; they are on the chapter on Hypnotism. The first of them is:
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“So, my boy, when the hypnotist, by modifying the tempo of their blood circulation, temporarily suspends the action of the localization of their false consciousness is now the ruling master of their common presence – the sacred data of their genuine consciousness can blend freely during their ‘waking’ state with the entire functioning of their planetary body; and if then he rightly assists the crystallization of data evoking in that localization an idea contrary to what has been fixed there, and directs the action of that idea upon the disharmonised part of the planetary body, an accelerated modification of the circulation of the blood in that part can be produced."
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The reasons why I consider it important to find out more about the workings of my "unconscious" are briefly that the whole of The Tales are full of mentions of the "real" and the "fictitious" consciousness in us. Moreover the "Divine Conscience" is buried in the Real Consciousness, which is also the seat for genuine Faith, Love and Hope.

There are only open questions left, something like this:

Did Ouspensky really understand the teaching? My immediate answer partly due to the disturbing influence of Stanley Nott is that he did not have a clue. Ouspensky had exactly the same problem that I have: he was too much in his head. Still, it is only my answer.

Does "an expanded state of awareness" bring us closer to the "subconscious"? I have understood that Mr. Gurdjieff's medicine to getting the "subconscious" to take part in our "waking" state is to practise Partkdolg-duty, i.e. conscious-labors-and-intentional-sufferings. Have I practised these intesively and long enough to have anything to say on the subject?

In spite of my efforts the "waking" state behaves as it does and does not care a hoot about the "subconscious". The only feeble connection is the impossibility to put into words what I have seen in half-awake states.

Is there any trick? Or is my task just to do the exercises and not expect any results whatsoever from them? Do I need a shock from the outside? Anyway, I can not wake up without someone waking me up so who is there to do this "Karapet" on me?

I do not think that the way to the "subconscious" is a continuation and expansion of the "waking" state - a quantum leap is necessary.

After I wrote the above last line about 16 hours have gone. What happened from that time until now is a whole world!

This is the story: I was convinced that the answer to the main question, the connection to the "subconscious" is something I know about, but that I need to rub like Aladdin rubbed his lamp to have a clue to what it is.

I first went through the PDF version of The Tales and searched on "subconscious"; there are lots of references. Of the longer ones first of all Ashiata Shiemash, whose aim was to bring the "subconscious" into the "waking" state. Then I read the chapter on Hypnotism from The Tales. I do not know how many times I have read it; I bought the book in 1963 and it is rather worn by now.

It was in this story about hypnotism that I noted Beelzebub mentions the cause of our "waking state hypnotism" (my term) to have a close connection with egoism, which again is due to the wrong education etc. In other words the "waking state" is a form of "hypnotic state", which I can not avoid, because that is the result of my education. This is in fact the prison that I need to get out of to be free.

I then discovered that a couple of years ago my friend Will Mesa had written an article which he called "Two Direct Ways of Penetrating the Subconscious", link: Will Mesa , and the examples he gives seem to be fine, but are they the solution that I am looking for? This does not look like the "quantum leap" I am looking for.

After all this going on, exercising as usual, and talking to Agi (my wife) it suddenly dawned on me that what is needed is "the death of myself in the waking life"; could it be that the Sufi saying “to die before I die” has this meaning? I have faced this situation long enough, but can I "leap to death" myself or do I need to be pushed? The answer is very simple!

It is killing me to see every day many times how “unprofessional”, or “not responsible”, “amateurish” etc I really am! I do not wish to continue to exist and stay alive "in my waking state"; after all it is “sleep”.

I opened Beelzebub from the beginning and discovered the meaning of the First Series: "To destroy, mercilessly, without any compromises whatsoever, in the mentation and feelings of the reader, the beliefs and views, by centuries rooted in him, about everything existing in the world."

Is that not a direct reference to the death of "the waking state"?


Comments

Feeling inadequate.....
When one is feeling poorly about oneself, one is merely believing one of the Not I's which says I " should" be
" better "... On what do we base our idea of how we " should " be?
The not I's I refer to are the countless suggestions coming from conditioning which we are not aware of....the observation of these bits of conditioning is the beginning of awakening
There is also an element of Greed which says that I should be more...bigger....different...
Can I simply accept the disturbance that comes from feeling inadequate , without doing anything to make it go away ?
If I can be in this moment and experience this disturbance with no judgement , I am awake...for this moment.
As far as the death of the waking state, if by waking state you mean the " normal " state that I am in when not self remembering , I don't think it ever dies....
We can however die " to it "...In other words we can say to the personality, the false self that is running the show " you are dead to me ". " "I don't buy your suggestions any more". Of course, that implies that one has already realized that the false self is running the show...which you probably have by now...
Just one more thing, the desire for self improvement is a desire of the personality...and many of us on the path to self actualization or higher consciousness or living awake fall into that trap....
The personality needs no improvement ..it simply needs to be left behind , once it has been investigated...It will of course occasionally come from behind and " bite me in the arse "...but that s OK I can take stock and move on.
All this is offered respecfully by a student of the Teaching Ideas as presented by Bob gibson who in my view was the one person to put all this into " plain English ".
I am happy to converse on any aspects of the Fourth Way teachings I am familiar with.
Best wishes
Jacques Bessin
Respectfully ,

jacques Bessin, United States
mitangowall@gmail.com
added 2012-06-06

re reading
I came across your greeting in answer to what I wrote,
I'm glad to re read it and find no nonsense in it...It's so easy to get lost in verbiage...
Let me just say that I studied Gurdjieff's work very intensely from the age of 17 , in France where I was born, then in The US with Wilhelm Nyland.
After many years I simply could not find any practical application for the ideas..save self remembering .
I my 40's I came across the Teaching Ideas which immediately made sense of all the Gurdjieff work but in a way that was extremely direct and applicable ....for me anyway...
This is not said as a criticism of anyone's chosen discipline, but as a simple offer.
I can honestly say that working with the ideas ( they only work if one uses them ) has led to a subtle but definite transformation in myself.
I can only verify this by comparing the state I live in now to the one I lived in 15 years ago, and it could'nt be simply getting older.
If you are at all interrested I'll give you a link where most of the teacher's lectures and classes have been transcribed.
This teacher simply presented himself as a " container " of the teaching and never used any publicity and didn't tell where or from whom he received the Teachings.
I heard hin occasionally refer to " old Gurgieff " with respect but never said more except one time when I pressed him and he simply said Gurdjieff opened a window
it's up to us to look through it.

In the meantime ,
All the best
Jacques Bessin

jacques Bessin, United States
mitangowall@gmail.com
added 2013-02-03

Death of the Waking State
Comment on the above comments by Jacques Bessin:

As the Sufis say: "die before you die", and the Orthodox Tradition says: "a Saint dies a hundred times a day", I can confirm that this is what I was trying to say in my own way on this article.

Gurdjieff called it "making personality passive", although "to let the personality become passive" is more like I would express it today.

Making it passive would be too violent and expression. After all as long as we live among wolves, we also need to howl live a wolf!



Reijo, Switzerland
added 2013-03-18

trying
Many of us try but few ever really wake up, but I try and sometimes get that surge in my belly when I know I have made an honest effort. In the late 1960s a wise man said "gurdjief is leading you into a trap", I still don't have a clue to what he meant, any ideas? Sincerely peter allen If it is a trap I am sure it is a trap of the tender kind!!

, United States
ygn5at@yahoo.com
added 2014-04-20

answer to trying
Comment on question if Gurdjieff is leading us into a trap:

If it could be said that this would be a trap, I see it as a instructions to some kind of movements or dances. But even those are not a "real" trap. Further, on a deeper lever, as a trap could be interpreted any kind of instruction of doing something, instead of being prior to doing. By being I refer to awareness, being conscious of oneself, doing whatever - inner or outer. That is what it could be said "a trap". But these are rather a means to liberation, what a sage Gurdjieff was suggesting, I believe.

Best regards,
I wish you liberation

/, Algeria
doinggone@gmail.com
added 2017-03-15


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